Can ‘Spirits’ do Maths? – Testing spirits with mathematics with the Holy Medicine of the Holy and Divine Mother Ayahuasca

It is well known that under the influence of DMT with the Holy Medicine of the Holy and Divine Mother Ayahuasca it is possible to ‘meet’ entities and ‘spirits’.

The Bright Idea

Marko Rodrigues, from the University of California, CS Dept., in Santa Cruz came up with the bright idea to test whether the spirits seen are autonomous, persistent, intelligent entities by asking these entities to calculate a prime factor of a five-digit on-prime umber, such as 12,233, and then have them say the answer, which the asker would not know, or tell the answer to someone else who has also ingested DMT.

The Flaw

Although it may seem clever, there are some obvious drawbacks. First of all, you have to remember to ask the question, which may not be easy after having DMT, when there is often a lot going on at once and it is easy to be distracted. Second, it is not clear how the spirits may respond.

Result of the experiment

In fact, James Kent, the former editor of Entheogen Review and Trip magazine, has tried the experiment. He asked a DMT elf for a prime factor of 23.788, and the entity reportedly presented the visual response of undulating Twinkle on rotating lotus, squirting, which is not obviously an answer to the question.


It is not clear whether the Holy Plants know mathematics, surely they do, or whether this test even matters. Maybe even those Who do, still feel there are better questions to ask.


  1. Beyer S. V., 2009, Singing to the Plants: A Guide to Mestizo Shamanism in the Upper Amazon, University of New Mexico Press, USA.